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neener's avatar

Who can fathom the mind of God? How hard we humans try to put him in our logical boxes! Thank you for this piece. I am going to paraphrase it and send it in a written letter tucked in to a bible that I am giving to my best friend of over 50 years. I hope she will accept both my gift, and His!

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Substitutionary atonement never really made sense to me. "Someone has to get punished because God's pissed" is a little hard to square with the love God shows throughout the old and new testaments. Wrapping that wrath in God's sense of justice or holiness doesn't improve it. I'm guessing you've seen the Gospel in Chairs?

The original orthodox version www.youtube.com/watch?v=WosgwLekgn8 is only about 10 minutes.

The best presentation is Brad Jersak's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_aALyEKh_A but it's 30 minutes.

I find this a very useful metaphor. The Trinity is a relationship of mutual love -- God's essence is love. I didn't always believe this. My response to "Jesus is love" signs on churches used to be, "no, Jesus is Lord". And He is. And many churches use those signs as excuses to condone sin. But they're still true: God is love. And Love is patient, and kind, and does not envy or boast, and is not proud or self-seeking or easily angered. Love keeps no record of wrongs but protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Substitutionary atonement doesn't even come close to that. It's not that it's wrong technically, it's just so incomplete.

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